Thinking With Illich Forum - Recent Posts https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/ Thinking With Illich Discussion Board en-US Sun, 26 Apr 2026 14:59:12 +0000 wpForo 60 Christ and Antichrist in the Thought of Ivan Illich https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/christ-and-antichrist-in-the-thought-of-ivan-illich/#post-3396 Sun, 02 Nov 2025 01:39:51 +0000 Hello friends,

 

I wrote a pair of pieces recently that discuss who Christ and Antichrist are in the thought of Ivan Illich.  For their exposition, they reference the works of Ivan with David Cayley, including his interview series Corruptio Optimi Pessima, and Ivan's 1970s critique of institutions within the broader perspective that the institutional substitution of personal activity is a characteristic of Antichrist.

 

Here they are:

https://verasvir.com/2025/08/14/christ-in-the-thought-of-ivan-illich/

https://verasvir.com/2025/08/14/antichrist-in-the-thought-of-ivan-illich/

 

I would be happy to discuss these people and ideas.

 

Thank you for your time,

Hamilton

]]> Luke Hamilton https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/christ-and-antichrist-in-the-thought-of-ivan-illich/#post-3396 The Fruits of Knowledge (The Effects of Technology) https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/the-fruits-of-knowledge-the-effects-of-technology/#post-3390 Fri, 09 May 2025 20:04:00 +0000 In this piece, I explore the creation of human dependency on technology. These tools help, but subvert human agency. The worst situation imaginable, human primary experience replaced by technological media (literacy, television and the smartphone) is inching toward us. This creates a spectator society.

Please enjoy, and I look forward to your comments.

Best,

Luke

]]> Luke Hamilton https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/the-fruits-of-knowledge-the-effects-of-technology/#post-3390 RE: Article: The Pandemic of Dystopia: what paradigm of government is arising? https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/article-the-pandemic-of-dystopia-what-paradigm-of-government-is-arising/#post-3388 Thu, 29 Aug 2024 11:13:27 +0000 namaha sana

]]> jamana susu https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/article-the-pandemic-of-dystopia-what-paradigm-of-government-is-arising/#post-3388 RE: Article: The Pandemic of Dystopia: what paradigm of government is arising? https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/article-the-pandemic-of-dystopia-what-paradigm-of-government-is-arising/#post-3387 Thu, 29 Aug 2024 11:13:11 +0000 baik

]]> jamana susu https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/article-the-pandemic-of-dystopia-what-paradigm-of-government-is-arising/#post-3387 RE: Article: The Pandemic of Dystopia: what paradigm of government is arising? https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/article-the-pandemic-of-dystopia-what-paradigm-of-government-is-arising/#post-3386 Thu, 29 Aug 2024 11:12:57 +0000 haiii

]]> jamana susu https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/article-the-pandemic-of-dystopia-what-paradigm-of-government-is-arising/#post-3386 RE: Article: The Pandemic of Dystopia: what paradigm of government is arising? https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/article-the-pandemic-of-dystopia-what-paradigm-of-government-is-arising/#post-3385 Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:45:29 +0000 in my opinion, this pandemic really affect everyone not just at a macro level, but even at micro levels such as ourselves as more rules were created for us to be more cautious on the ongoing situation. though it was created for good means, there were also parties involved that would try to take advantage of the situation, both in positive and negative ways, in which you can see from how the people reacted; some believed it is a "hoax" propagated by the government to create control, there are also people who would just trust the data given by the government. I personally think this pandemic is a lesson to us all to not be ignorant after seeing all the lifeless bodies and how the medical team had to work day and night to help another, even if they had to risk their own lives fighting this plague. aside from not being ignorant i suggest people would also want to help themselves survive first, with or without the help of the others. just my two cents and any thoughts were also welcomed. 🙂 

]]> SOGO AKUNPRO https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/article-the-pandemic-of-dystopia-what-paradigm-of-government-is-arising/#post-3385 RE: Article about Gustavo Esteva, friend of Ivan Illich: La insurrección en curso. El pensamiento filosófico-político de Gustavo Esteva https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/article-about-gustavo-esteva-friend-of-ivan-illich-la-insurreccion-en-curso-el-pensamiento-filosofico-politico-de-gustavo-esteva/#post-3384 Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:28:04 +0000 thank you so much for the doc upload 😉 

]]> SOGO AKUNPRO https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/article-about-gustavo-esteva-friend-of-ivan-illich-la-insurreccion-en-curso-el-pensamiento-filosofico-politico-de-gustavo-esteva/#post-3384 RE: Join me in: A Relational Journey through Cayley's "Call me Ivan" https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/join-me-in-a-relational-journey-through-cayleys-call-me-ivan/#post-3383 Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:26:47 +0000 great finds with a profound explanation.  many thanks to you for pointing that out. 😍 

]]> SOGO AKUNPRO https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/join-me-in-a-relational-journey-through-cayleys-call-me-ivan/#post-3383 RE: Free Software Movement vs. Ivan Illich https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/free-software-movement-vs-ivan-illich/#post-3382 Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:21:51 +0000 to have an open platform that had the purpose of advocating education towards numerous programmers from around the globe is a positive movement that i would support! looking forward to the growth and possible expansion of the movement in the future. 🍾 

]]> SOGO AKUNPRO https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/free-software-movement-vs-ivan-illich/#post-3382 RE: Covid19: What does the 'data' say? https://thinkingwithivanillich.net/community/open-discussion/covid19-what-does-the-data-say/#post-3381 Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:14:36 +0000 wouldn't say much about this discussion as i feel the topic discussed is slightly sensitive and too "political" (even on one occasion it sparked a heated debate with my coworkers and family), i just hope everybody here and out there can stay healthy, avoid direct contact. be safe everyone.

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